South American Natives Speak Ancient European Language? Part 2

Csizmadia István, the full-blooded Indian

Also the following transpired in Guayaquil. Alejandro Castro Benitez, a plantation owner from the province of El Oro, looked up Moricz and told him: “Sir, here is this man. I would very much like to here you speak Magyar with each-other, because I’d like to know if You really speak Magyar!” Surprised, Moricz asks the man if he’s Magyar. “Yes, my name is Csizmadia István.”1 They started such a conversation between the two of them, as used to take place on such occasions between two previously separated fellow compatriots. The conversation was interrupted by Benitez, saying that he has been convinced that Moricz really does speak Magyar. He then informed Csizmadia that the Ecuadorian Indians are Magyars, that is, they are kin to the Magyar people and that even today there are some tribes among them that speak Magyar. He also named a few geographical names, upon which Csizmadia suddenly ran off. Benitez told Moricz, that Csizmadia is one of Ecuador’s most distinguished specialists and that he works on Benitez’ property as engineer. He’s quite a loudmouth and calls also him, Benitez, a savage Indian on a daily basis. “However, now I’ve retorted – he added – because it is not I who is the Indian, but the proud Magyar, Csizmadia István!” After a short while Csizmadia came running back, excited by the surprise, and grabbed Moricz’ arm and said with arms wildly gesticulating: “This is the ancient homeland! I see it now! I’ve been blind until now! Here, everything is Magyar, everything has a Magyar name! I’m such a fool, that I have not realised this until now! What a great discovery I’ve wasted!” At this moment Benitez asked Csizmadia who of the two of them was the Indian: “I, Csizmadia István, I am the full-blooded Indian! Benitez, You are merely a half-blood! Can You understand? Half-blood! Mestizo! I’m the pure-blooded one!” After this, Benitez gave up for good the hope of ever winning another argument with Csizmadia.

  1. Csizmadia is a fairly common Hungarian surname. See for example HERE. []
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  1. THE EUROPEAN ORIGIN OF THE HUNGARIANS (Michelangelo.cn)

    Finding out where the Magyars came from was as simple as comparing the archaeological finds of the Honfoglalás time in Hungary with the finds of the areas where other cultural markers of the Magyars (see “Honfoglalás…”) had been found.
    Nobody had ever done it!

    Some 150 designs of some thousands of dated archaeological artefacts, cultural markers, and sacred symbols migrated from Bronze Age Europe to Arsia and back to Hungary. Furthermore these designs also reached China, Korea and Japan.

    The presence of similar designs and symbols in a large area of Eurasia in the time frame from the Neolithic (Gold Idol Civilization) to the middle of the last Millennium B.C. (Agglutinia, Pannonia and Magna Pannonia) is the evidence of the existence of the largest and most long living civilization ever on earth. The civilization of Agglutinia (from Hungary to Oxiana, 3rd millennium B.C) started fading with the arrival of the Semites in Mesopotamia, and of the Indo-Europeans in India and Europe. Wherever these populations arrived, the same pattern of events was experienced, starting with the disappearance of the ancient sacred symbols. Those sacred symbols survived only in Pannonia, and later on in Magna Pannonia until the middle of the last millennium B.C.. Only at this time, the Celto-Pannonici and other “Indo-Europeans” differentiated and separated from the Pannonici. In fact, most of the artefacts found in Europe before 500 B.C. (and labelled “Celtic”, “Greek, Geometric”, “Etruscan, Orientalising”) are congruent with the previous millennia of Pannonico Art and shall reappear in Europe later on with the Magyars. (No artefact, symbol, or design can be labelled “Celtic” or “Greek” if it existed in Europe along the previous millennia!).

    The civilization of Magna Pannonia extended, from the middle of the second to the middle of the last millennium B.C., from Pribaltika to Pannoniberia and from England to the Aegean Sea.

    Around 1000 B.C. a population located in the Eastern part of the Carpathian area migrated to the Altai region and, later on, found a refugium in the Tarim Basin when the Huns came out of the Dzungarian Gate. The artefacts excavated in Pazyryk and Esik, and those collected by Marc Aurel Stein (a Hungarian!) in the Tarim Basin, are the best proof of that migration from Europe. The conscience of the common identity of the Central Asian and Balkan populations was clearly stated by the chief of the “Scythians” of Central Asia. He warned Alexander the Great not to attack his people “because Scythia borders Greece”. (He was threatening a retaliation of the Balkan “Scythians” against Greece). (Anabasis, Xenophon).

    At the end of the first millennium A.D., the sudden reappearance in Europe of those same Bronze Age ancient designs and religious symbols, which had disappeared from Europe since longer than a millennium, and of artefacts similar to those collected by Stein, is the best evidence of their migration from Pannonia to Central Asia and back to the Carpathian Basin. The relevance of the designs and artefacts that the Magyars brought back with them resides in their sacred symbolism, which had kept unchanged along the two millennia the Magyars had lived in Central Asia. The art of the Magyars was still symbolic, the God of the Magyars (Isten) was still not anthropomorphic, the only God of the Magyars was still a Goddess, which had been represented in the same way along 5 millennia: while giving birth. The Ainu have only recently, reluctantly, started carving anthropomorphic figurines and dolls to be sold to tourists, in order to make a living: their designs are still the same as those the Magyars carved in Central Asia. The few Ainu still surviving in Japan are the closest cultural brothers of the Magyars.

    The comparison of archaeological finds allows to define with great accuracy the borders of the territories in which the Magyars had lived from the beginning of the 1st millennium B.C. to the time in which they started their travel back to Hungary. The Avars had left the Tarim Basin earlier than the Magyars and had spent more time on the way: their Art (Transitional Art) had already lost part of the traditional symbolism that the Magyars will later bring to Europe.

  2. jan said:

    Most interesting! Thank you!

  3. Californian said:

    Despite the merits of the research in this article, Quechua and Aymara nationalists today would rather see such information burned.
    Though they seek to build their Tawantinsuyo, which is now a component government of the Plural State of Bolivia, like most other nationalists, they seek to write history under today’s dictates…
    although their own history recorded during 16th c. describes white people in South America acting as their kings and temple priests.
    Ach!

  4. Susan Tomory said:

    I agree with most of the articles concerning the Magyar connections in the Americas, but I do not agree with the line of Magyar cultural expansion. This should always be considered starting from their ancestral homeland, the Carpathian Basin and not the other way around.

    It is believed that there were no studies concerning the ancient history of the Magyars, but this is a superficial opinion. The independence, including the cultural and linguistic independence of the Magyars was hampered by the Habsburg regime to such a degree that the entire Magyar homeland, its culture, etc. has become terra incognita in the world.

    One scholar by the name of Adorján Magyar worked out the 16 dialedctal regions of the Magyar homeland and their organic linguistic, etnographical, etc. connection with that land. He spent years in each region studying their culture, which cannot be said about today’s researchers. Some well meaning researchers invent different names for these regions which are not necessary, since these already had their own names, thus confusing the verifiable facts with fables.

  5. Trond Friling said:

    If you’re still investigating the Magyar link to Ecuador, You should probably read the lyrics of Chan chan song. An old song from cuba.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Chan_(song)

    The chorus is the following:

    De Alto Cedro voy para Marcané
    Llego a Cueto voy para Mayarí

    From Alto Cedro I go towards Marcané
    I get to Cueto, head for Mayarí

    The transliteration in spanish is of course on Cuban terms, as it is from an old Cuban folk tale. Given a different setting it could be understood differently:

    De Alto Cedro voy para Marcané OR
    De Alto Cerro Voy por Mar Caré
    Translation: From the High mointain I go towards the sea of Karé (Tribe of the Karé/Caribbean)

    Llego a Cueto voy para Mayarí OR
    Llego a Quito voy por Magyari
    Translation: When i reach Quito I go to Magyar.

    This is just a hunch, but maybe it is interresting anyway.

    Trond Friling

  6. Yih Dzelonh said:

    If the Cañari language is related to the Indo-European “Magyar” language, then my name is ‘Bruce Lee’: All my research over the past 8 years or so has proven to me, beyond all doubt, that Cañari -like the overwhelming majority of Amerindian languages of Central America, the Caribbean Islands, and South America- is primarily descended from Austronesian. I am have documented thousands of cognates that exist between countless Amerindian language families and Old World language phyla -far more than any other linguist who has ever lived…

    I believe that I am only the 2nd or 3rd ‘linguist’ ever to document ANY cognates between Amerindian languages and Old World phyla…

    I am largely the ‘inventor’ of the Amerindian-Austronesian linguistic connection; and the first to have found a solid relationship via ‘cognate’ documentation…

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